Post Biden/Ryan VP Debate Update

GOP: Obama is in over his head.The stakes for tonight’s debate were raised following President Obama’s “disappointing” performance in the first debate. Note, I did NOT say “disastrous” or some other equally cataclysmic adjective like the rest of the Media has because truth is, the President’s first debate was NOT a “disaster”. Think about this fact: after the debate, no one (serious) was claiming President Obama committed any serious gaffes, told any huge lies, or embarrassed himself. The worst anyone had to say was that he appeared “unprepared” and “failed to challenge Romney” on any of the dozen or so “lies” he told. So all Vice President Biden had to do tonight was challenge Romney/Ryan’s lies.

So how did the candidates do? I’m sure by the time you read this, pundits will be calling it “a near draw with slight edge to Biden” (the CBS “Snap Poll” gave Biden a big win, 50% to 39%, while the CNN poll gave the win to Ryan, 48% to 44%). Both spoke with passion, but Biden clearly had a stronger grasp of the details, challenging Ryan on more issues. Biden pushed HARD on ending the war in Afghanistan, avoiding war with Iran, and the efficacy of tax cuts for the wealthy. When Biden mentioned Romney’s “47%” remark and Ryan’s own “30%” remark, Ryan got the first laugh of the night by saying he “mispoke. Joe, you know about that.” (Biden got a laugh himself later responding to a Ryan remark, “Now you’re Jack Kennedy!”)

On at least three occasions, host Martha Raddatz pushed Ryan for details on exactly “How” the Romney team would achieve what he was claiming they would do, and not once did Ryan offer a single detail. On their tax plan, when asked how they can cut taxes “20% across the board” and still cut the Deficit, Ryan refused to explain just how, only to offer (quote) “a framework”.

I DO feel Ryan flat-out lied on at least two occasions, claiming a Romney Administration “would keep the exceptions of rape, incest or life of the mother” for abortion, but BOTH Romney and Ryan are on the record of supporting the “Personhood Amendment” that would trump those exceptions. Ryan also denied their Medicare Plan would not cut benefits, but the entire point of “premium support” is to cap how much people receive, and if that amount is not enough to pay for your insurance, YOU will have to make up the difference. (Ryan also claimed Medicare recipients would not be “waiting for a check at the mailbox”, when in fact Romney admitted to Scott Pelley on “60 Minutes” that receiving “a check” is “essentially it” in describing his Medicare Plan.)

One thing the Romney/Ryan campaign has been saying for weeks is that President Obama has “an indefensible record”, and while VP Biden did defend the Obama record on a host of issues, he (IMHO) left a number of them on the table, never once using the word “obstruction”, choosing instead to use the less combative term “opposition”. An odd choice since the Vice President had no problem getting quite combative on several issues (be looking for video of Biden getting quite animated over “Protecting Medicare & Social Security” and taxes.)

No matter how you think tonight’s debate went, the Right will declare a Ryan victory simply for standing up to the more experienced Joe Biden and not saying anything wildly contradictory (or so they think). Personally, I think the most tonight’s debate did was stop the bleeding for the Obama campaign. Expect poll movement to stiffen until the next debate next Tuesday.

(Oh, BTW: No mention of “Big Bird”.)

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October 12, 2012 · Admin Mugsy · 3 Comments - Add
Posted in: Election, Healthcare, Middle East, Politics, Taxes, War

  • Grant in Texas October 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Seems the biggest howl from the right is that Biden was RUDE and was caught off to the side seen smirking sometimes while Ryan was talking (which often meant lying). The right ought to know about SMIRK as their candidate Romney wears one permanently. The Benghazi mess was probably the most damaging for Biden but glad that the VP wasn’t afraid to bring up that Ryan was one of the Congressional Republicans who DENIED funding of hundreds of millions to increase security at our hundreds of embassies and consulates around the World. The request for more security for Benghazi (as if anything short of a battalion could have prevented the raid) was made to a DEPUTY to an UNDERsecretary in the Department of State. I am sure the bulk of requests at that level never get heard by the White House which has so many other hot topics on their plates.

    As a former Catholic, I appreciated Biden’s response that echos that of so many Catholics I know, that we have a right to our beliefs but have no right to impose them on others. A “big government” of the kind that Romney/Ryan supports would come between a woman and her doctor, even her clergy. I am still pro-life (even opposing the death penalty) but not so arrogant as to tell a woman she must endure 9 months of sometimes illness, even face death, to deliver a baby that is unwanted. Too many “unwanted” children are on our streets now. I have four precious Catholic grand nieces and nephews resulting from “in vitro” (which until recent years was banned by the Vatican). They still have some frozen embryos in storage that will probably not be used by my nephew and niece since they think four children are enough. A personhood law advocated by the right-wing could charge them with murder if their “extra” embryos remain frozen and eventually disposed. Contraceptives including the “morning after” pill could bring murder charges for a woman, and of course all doctors who help abort would be liable. IOW, we will be going back to abortion-parlors off alleyways and even rusty coat-hangers.

  • Grant in Texas October 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Think Progress documented 40 Ryan LIES in 90 minutes. No wonder VP Biden was chuckling, not believing the level of audacity of Ryan lyin’ with a straight face.

  • Grant in Texas October 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM